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There. if donald trump were to be acquitted at trial in the senate, it would be jury nullification. >> and jury nullification is a juror or jury saying the evidence proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but i am not going to base my decision on the evidence or the law. i'm going to base it on some ancillary issue. something else that's important to me. in this instance, it would be politics. and it's really hard to understand. i wish we could suspend reality for a moment and bring all of our elected officials in congress into a room and rip off their partisan hats. and ask them questions lik...

Facts on the table. but when you get to the senate you start to open up interesting political possibilities for democrats. you have five vulnerable republican senators who are going to be in the hot seat and they're going to have to decide, are they going to vote to basically enable and continue abuse of power and corruption or not and they'll be between a rock and a hard place in these states where independent voters -- we don't know, how is this playing with swing, subu suburban women? probably not good. >> if it were a completely partisan vote, that wouldn't push the president out of office...

Care. we talked about about this last week. he'll continue to betray you on taxes. this in and of itself is not going to be an issue that decides this election. >> there's also something else that's a lot different than water fwa watergate. it's the way people get their information. people usually now get their information based in news silos. they're conservative and liberal, and that's where they go and see the clips they want. when you look at what the republicans did during the hearings, which i completely disagree with, they were not playing to everybody. they were playing to a certain gr...

Braz -- basil smikle. how did the republicans do? they theoretically finished the public hearings. >> they achieved part of that i goal, which was the create a narrative that would play well on conservative media. while we had very high ratings for this -- for the hearings, most americans didn't see it. so where do they get their information from? i call them news silos. you have it on the left and right. the show they put on was the show that they wanted for other networks. it's kind of that simple. i hate to say it. it was like they were trying to go for jury nullification. yeah, he may have...

Partisan acrimony going into this, how is either side going to come across as fair? >> no, that's one of the really big problems that democrats have. ideally, something like this would be bipartisan. sometimes when things aren't bipartisan, it's because the party in power doesn't reach out, doesn't build a coalition, doesn't extend an olive branch. other times it's because the minority simply decides they're not going to cooperate no matter what. i think that what we have here is essentially jury nullification. republicans have decided, at least for now, that they're going to circle the wagons...