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Generals can be, that they have those skills, and in fact, we have seen kelly evidence that sleight of hand that's necessary on the political side. what's your take? >> first of all my hat's off to anyone brave enough to be white house chief of staff. it's a really hard job. just ask mack, who did it with the grace and charm andtallet t. at any rate kelly has all those things and the military background i think helps, for starters. he's been in -- he's in a disciplined organization both up and down the ranks, and he spent 45 years there. he's been out of the military, let's remember this, for ...

Amazing last week, on a bipartisan, bicameral basis they passed that very tough sanctions law against russia, iran, and north korea, and speaking with one voice, our government can do so much more. >> we just had the vice president talking about russia's presence in georgia. we know how bad that can go from the bush years. so we'll see if there's some cohesion to move us forward. jane, mack, thank you very much. appreciate you both. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn? chris, you have to hear this story. there are security risks apparently in the white house. how a prankster ...

See for him personally is that he will now be on top, i hope, of a real strategy development team for north korea. i think the north korean threat is urgent. things could happen any minute, and we need a whole of government response, not just a military response, and as you've pointed out, there's no depth in most of the other departments yet. so it matters that there's a steady hand at the top. >> and it all is about how he balances the various responsibilities. mack, john podesta obviously has his own experience in this area. he wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" called an imposition mi...

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