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Leader pelosi is more liberal than working class voters typically are in places like ohio, michigan? >> working class voters want an economy that will work for all of us. so on i think it really matters to working class people. they want a fair shot. you're seeing donald trump puts on a. . out a plan to unravel frank. he is refilling the swamp with from filling with it recycled water. i think our message will had connect. >> are there any issues you can name, name just e, where you think she might be to the left of the people who helped gln get elected? >> this is not about one person represen...

Captured, and brought to just e justice. at the same time, there's a question about how much we're spending, the surveillance state we've established. some people would say the shredding of certain parts of u.s. constitution in the name of keeping us safe. the conversation around that is a very, very quiet one and tends to be in a smaller part of the room than it should be. >> it is. right now what we have are conversations based on fear instead of actually based on fact, on rationale, on what actually happens. as a result of that, we have burgeoning financial costs, surveillance costs, costs ...

Project. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> it is always a thorny issue, that of national security. just playing that tape, you can see while some people are saying, look, this man should be read his miranda rights, keeping him afloat on a sea vessel is no way to actually -- that is not justice and that's not the american way of law and order. that is in violation of geneva conventions. you have republicans saying send him to gitmo. i want to talk about from the aclu's perspective. you say al libi has the right to counsel. tell us why you have that position. >> first of all,...

Did the captor of mr. libi comply with international law? >> we know that mr. al libi planned and helped execute plots that killed hundreds of people, a whole lot of americans, and we have strong evidence of that. he will be brought to justice. >> consider that a dodge. after last weekend's capture of the al qaeda leader charged with orchestrating the 1998 embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania, the obama administration finds its counterterrorism policy once again subject to scrutiny. in what some call a return to bush-era tactics, al libi is being questioned on a ship on the arabian sea witho...

York and you ask people, should these rights attach, and the answer overwhelmingly will be no. >> it's not just relegated to foreign fighters like this one. dzhokhar tsarnaev was not read his miranda rights for 48 hours using the public safety exception. i think, again, to michael steele's point or to alex's point, the popular sort of position here, the politically expeditious position is to say these guys are terrorists, justice will be done, and we're worry about the details later. >> it is very dangerous to create some kind of exception for terrorism, which is, yes, a grave crime, but it is...