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Saying that it's possible that military intervention might be necessary but there are so many other ways that we also need to help these people both for this society. they talked about the fact that fanaticism and extremism can be countered by people feeling that they can participate in a society, so not just military might. >> pope francis appears to be wrestling with this too, right? >> yeah. >> because on one hand the pope has urged the fighting to stop in gaza, iraq and ukraine but according to the daily beast the pope said, quote, where there is an unjust aggression i can only say that it...

Is for the pligtd of women and for a very difficult situation for the afghan any people for centuries. tell us where you've come out and what the course of action is you need to take now? >> after 911, many of us thought this was the right cause, a just war, it's become a major counter insurgency war, that we look like we cannot defeat. general petraeus calls it an industrial strength conservancy. we need to start the troop withdrawals as of july. but that needs to be combined in my view with a whole series of

Treasury secretary timothy geithner calls the upcoming battle over financial regulatory reform a, quote, just war. during a wide-ranging interview with msnbc's rachel maddow he also defended his own record. >> a lot of democrats in the congress are looking forward to being able to run on wall street regulation, these new rules for wall street. and with republicans essentially signaling they're mostly going to oppose them it gives democrats an opportunity to say we're running against wall street which a lot of them are salivating i think at the chance to do that. your political image does not h...