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Of atf. alisyn: doug, obviously, everybody understands you don t want all of the president s communications released, that would be dangerous, no president wants that, but this is something that at least with operation fast & furious they ve long been trying to get to the bottom of. that popular word in washington is the optics. the optics of this makes it seem as they the white house is hiding something. again, if it s the optics that drive judgments about separation of powers and executive privilege, we ve gotten to a very bad point, and what justin cites is certainly language that sounds embarrassing, but it doesn t really have any smoking guns, as far as i m concerned. so i don t see any reason why in an election year we should let the republicans do what justin described, which is to play politics. alisyn: guy, we re going to have to leave it there, doug, justin, thank you for having in to debate this, we appreciate it. bill: we re going to take you live to the white house. we v ....