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Involved in. >> it's there 1.2 trillion in student debt. tuition cost going up. this clearly is the bubble in search of a pin. what is the pin here? >> unfortunately obama has given us such a horrible recovery that one of the only ways he feels he can get votes is to give people things for free. but as steve and john pointed out the colleges aren't student. they know that the students are getting free money and they raise prices. the way you make college more affordable is you get an economic recovery so people earn more money and colleges get competition like from online learning and that's g...

People in this country get to go to college. that's not good for anybody. i support doing something if you can think of a good idea to solve this tuition problem and in the meantime, the senate not allowing people that have this debt to go refinances it at current rates, that was absolute nonsense. businesses get to do it every day. why can't they. >> i hear your point, jut john, we're talking about the back end, tuition costs continue to go up. i am wondering when they're going to haul in, when is washington going to haul in oil executives? why don't we see that. >> i want to see the line in ...