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way they are and not take foolish risks going forward. >> one of the things we've seen in the past, kacie, whether they involve politicians or not, we think about oklahoma city, 9/11, hurricane katrina, is that this kind of moment for president obama. >> yes. obviously we'll see him in a moment in a moment of silence. it's a time for him to step up and lead. some people are calling it his oklahoma city moment. everyone will be looking to him to set the tone. >> thank you very much. we do appreciate it. thank you both. the president, as we're saying, will hold the national moment of silence to remember the victims in tucson. we will bring it to you live at 11:00 eastern on msnbc. she was just 9 years old, interested in learning about american politics, born on september 11th, 2001.

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