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And that bill 5 was to try to stop that, prevent us from having power, break our back so they could have the playing field all to themselves. they got a surprise. >> is it the most egregious thing about this, it ends arbitration? >> i think there are several things. it ends collective bargaining. without collective bargaining, you don't have a ladder into the middle class. yes, it doesn't culminate at arbitration. once you take bargaining away and give a guy like kasich absolute right to control firefighters, to control nurses, to control police officers, you end up with a system that doesn't ...

Having power, break our back so they could have the playing field all to themselves. they got a surprise. >> is it the most egregious thing about this, it ends arbitration? >> i think there are several things. it ends collective bargaining. without collective bargaining, you don't have a ladder into the middle class. yes, it doesn't culminate at arbitration. once you take bargaining away and give a guy like kasich absolute right to control firefighters, to control nurses, to control police officers, you end up with a system that doesn't work. middle class america gets hurt and gets hurt badly....