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Affectionate first couples and this seems to be a sign that, you know, they live two very separate lives and she doesn't live with her husband, which we've never seen before. she doesn't live in washington. >> that's an interesting point, because, you know, kate a.b., she said that before, you can't change people. we are both separate people, we have our own independence. perhaps that's what we saw on display? >> yeah. i think so. i think what's interesting about the personalities, we saw -- we learned about melania trump this trip she's compassionate and went to hospitals to visit children an...

Brouwer. i will call you cate a.b., because we have another cate, co-author of cnn politics cover line, kate ben net. good to see both of you ladies. kate a.b., we start with that video, a lot of wonderful moments for the first lady and she kind of reviewed some of that during her speech, her remarks there in italy, but this moment, this video that keeps going, you know, that has gone viral, what was happening there, did he nudge her off the red carpet and she was like forget it, i got it, i don't need your hand now, what do you read into that moment? >> well that's how it looks. they're a pri...

Nice, light moment between them. >> and then kate a.b. -- kate, you mentioned jackie o., kate. everyone thinks about the style of a first lady, references with michele obama known for wearing designers who weren't necessarily on the big stage, but then as soon as she wore them they became hot designers. and this first lady, who is using very established designers, dolce & gabbana, with that jacket on the far left and, of course, it has a big price point there, but the michael kors, what do you read into her style choices and it's not a superficial conversation that we're having about style, be...

Held hands a number of times, even today she gave him a kiss before he spoke and spoke and he had to wipe the lipstick off his cheek. >> so the dynamic of husband and wife is interesting. this is a couple as kate said we haven't seen before together. >> yeah. and then, you know, kate a.b., what do we think about, you know, her catholicism. she gets a chance to meet the pope that moment there, and then a little joke about the [ inaudible ] that she likes to feed him or dessert or bread? >> it's sweet. we're seeing a side of her we've never seen before. she's only the second first lady who's bee...