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Cigarettes, where there's nothing redeeming about it. if tobacco went away tomorrow, no one would be worse or wiser. today in the outage, i was kind of pondering this. what do you think, carol? >> i think as you say for large parts of the world it is the internet and it's really easy -- in the philippines there have been devastating impacts on their elections which katie will know about. the population, they access the internet, so many of them for basics and that is the way that they sort of see the world. so i think there is a difference. for us, yes, i think it was great today, wasn't it? i...

Took a tiny little bit less profit and employed a few more people in key roles, we could solve a lot of these problems overnight. i look particularly at content moderators who are employed on these terrible contracts. they do awful work for very, very low pay. why not just pay them some more money, have some more of them, train them properly. this is not rocket science, it is just money. >> that's a great point. money can't solve all things but a lot of things it can. carol and katie, thank you both. ahead, hospitals overwhelmed with covid patients without enough beds to treat them. the hear...

Integrity team and who can come forward and explains in this very human way what these problems are and has also brought this wealth of evidence. i mean i think it was eight s.e.c. filings she's made. she's given evidence to five state attorney generals. you cannot downplay the amount of material that she's bringing forth and potentially, you know, i think very serious actions and consequences as a result of this potentially. >> katie, you worked there for years and you've left. as someone who did work there and was part of that civic integrity unit or task force, does this jibe with your expe...

A reporter at the guardian, a finalist for the pulitzer prize in 2019. her work on the facebook/cambridge analytica scandal and also katie harbuff has spent ten years at facebook as director of public policy. she is now an elections fellow at the bipartisan center think tank. it's great to have you both. carol, let me start with you and just ask the revelations from this whistleblower to me are not shocking -- well, they're not surprising. they are kind of shocking morally. but to me more than anything, they're sort of confirmation of what we always suspected. how do you see these documents? >...