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White house's list of things that annoy them or make them mad, where do these things fall? do the allegations from ms. ramirez, professor ford and the other accuser, have they now descended to number two after this question of the veracity of his sworn testimony? >> well, it's all there in a bucket, and it's the big crisis facing the white house at the moment. i'll point out one other thing that has supporters of kavanaugh a little bit concerned. remember on thursday during the hearing, the emotional power of dr. ford's testimony. there was a sense of fatalism in the kavanaugh camp that this w...

For the kavanaugh camp. >> good point. jeff flake is one of a handful of senators who could sink this nomination. >> jessica, we know that michael avenatti certainly knows how to get a lot of attention. but we're taking this from serious accusations to a very political situation. the fact that michael avenatti is a tv fixture and -- >> a lightning rod. >> does that hurt this accusation? >> i think it does both. i think that it hurts and helps. i think that michael avenatti has inserted himself in this conversation in a way that is, you know, honestly, makes the circus an even bigger circus. an...