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Identified in the new yorker piece, and some of those witnesses didn't cooperate but still could be interviewed by the fbi. i'm sure that would be the investigation the investigation turns. there is not a lot of question that this actually happened. you have a situation where there are a number of people who were interviewed who said yes, they heard about it. they heard about it that night. and then a couple of days afterwards a couple of people who were fellow yale students were talk about it saying i'm wondering if this story is going to come forward. i don't think there is any question the ...

Be a huge red flag and very problematic. >> so much attention on maine republican senator susan collins right now in terms of her potential vote on supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh, but today nbc news was able to get that comment from her on a different matter. susan collins saying it would be a huge red flag and very problematic if there is any attempt to fire or force out deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. that being echoed across the aisle from the top democrat on the intelligence committee in the house, adam schiff, who is saying, quote, under no circumstances should rod rosenste...

That and just go forward, i would have to talk to the senate judiciary committee. the fact that they refused to actually get on the phone with me and talk to me about what other options have in mind and instead sit back and demand i give them all the information we have which feels like an effort to just gather the information and sweep it under the rug, then it's hard to say that i would suggest that she do anything further. but they need to be able to have a meaningful conversation with debbie ramirez's council and talk about what other options they're proposing if it's not going to be fbi. ...

A phone call with them, they end up pushing the phone call back. and then since i sent out that tweet about two hours ago, we had a phone call scheduled, and we called in for the phone call, and only the minority party showed for the phone call. >> so you received communication from the chairman or the chairman's staff, from the majority committee staff, but only democrats were on the call? >> that's correct. >> what do you make of that? that seems odd. >> you know, it's disturbing. they keep on kind of changing the rules of how they want to go forward, and every time that we talk about -- wan...

Perjury in order to have this matter investigated properly. the white house and the republicans in the senate seem adamantly dug in against that process. they do not want the fbi to reopen its background investigation of judge kavanaugh. if they will not budge on that issue specifically, how -- how else would you want to proceed? if the fbi investigation isn't going happen, what do you think should happen next here in terms of having your client treated fairly and having this allegation considered fairly? >> well, first of all, i think that would be a real failure on the part of the senate jud...