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New tonight, did rudy giuliani, president trump's own lawyer, admit there was collusion with russia? that's kind of a crazy thing to even ask, right? but one must ask it when giuliani said this not once but twice today, saying, oh, collusion isn't a crime. >> i don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original crime. >> the president didn't hack. i've been looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. >> it's not. >> collusion is not a crime. >> thi...

Essentially opposition research from the russians but there's also evidence of kcollusion itself, beyond intent, when it came to michael flynn colluding with the russians to essentially nullify or undermine the sanctions that were posed over the russia meddling. when you look at this chronology, wolf, you have in april the russians telling the campaign through one of their few foreign policy advisers, george papadopoulos, we've got dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails, so putting the campaign on notice that they have dirt. they have them approaching the highest levels of...

The trump campaign participated in that or helped that happen, that could be an illegal act. the other way that it could be a crime and again, it's not collusion, it's conspiracy, is if somehow the trump campaign was aware of the hacking. the computer crimes that must have taken place for the russians to get access to clinton's e-mails or dnc e-mails. if somebody in the trump campaign was aware of that and helped it happen, that could be conspiracy to commit that crime. so, collusion itself, you're not going to find it in the federal criminal code, but you will find conspiracy and that's what ...

Columnist for "the washington post." i want you all to listen to chris christie and what he had to say about any potential arrests. >> i think anybody advised by the special counsel's office that they are a target in the investigation which i'm sure he has done should be concerned. >> michael, you first. you, wooed with mueller. what do you think the possible arrest or arrests, plural, signal in the overall investigation? >> it depends really on who is arrested and on what charges. what will happen tomorrow is someone will be arrested and they will be presented before i magistrate judge. the j...

If he didn't know about it, what does that say? >> eric: the white house is that president trump just learned about it a few days ago. if he didn't know about it -- first of all, collusion to what and? doesn't there have to be in exchange of a thing of value, monetary value? >> collusion itself, it is not itself illegal, but the point is, unfortunately, the president's son, i think there was no malpractice here on paul manafort's part, because somebody has to be protecting the family and these campaigns. that doesn't seem to have happened. >> eric: you're allowed to meet with foreign nationals...