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Anything like what this president has described to the american public? >> i haven't. it's a national shame, the policies that this administration has pursued. the fact that we have these children in cages, that we've had two deaths recently of migrant children. we hadn't seen a death, i think they said, in ten years. of children that were in custody. but we have had two within the span of just a few weeks. i believe that we need to end detention for families that are seeking asylum, or that come here as refugees. we, you know, know that we can do this in a better way, because during the obama...

I think he's a justice who believes in what he believes on but he's not a partisan figure. i don't give any of them that. and i think that's sad the president of the united states is so petty that he puts a d or r beside anyone's name. >> mollie, clearly the judicial process or the process of getting judges on the bench is highly political. there are entire societies devoted to vetting judges to make sure that they are acceptable to one side or the other. so, is there an element that the president is only voicing the reality? >> sure. i mean, we all keep track of which judges are appointed by ...

Wednesday oegsed a statement to the white house really saying there's a total and complete lack of understanding at the white house about the seriousness of their continued attacks on the media. the president and especially the white house press secretary should understand their words matter. thus fair they have shown no comp he comprehension of that. >> and brian, it's actually become very difficult to even sort of keep track of these things. they tend to kind of blend together in our minds, and it's very dangerous that we're at the point where each day brings a new terror and a new reason fo...

Appropriate. and he has done nothing, by the way, to help combat the battle zone. >> absolutely. >> page 217 of your book the change of him since his prime was dramatic. the blade has been dull. you talk about on the apprentice there was a mixup where contessa lost money on a task and they were discussing figures. he was able to recall and calculate things. >> oh, yeah. >> then you talk about working on a speech with him where he can't sort of keep track of things. you keep telling him something, he goes off message. i want to talk about the lester holt interview where you said that the team p...

Company. and he -- he is an american citizen, so it's not illegal. >> i want to be clear, because we just put up simon kukes, he's accused no wrongdoing, he's an american citizen, it is entirely legal what he did. i don't want to tar by association because you have not been born in russia. >> absolutely, right. >> here's the question for you, seth, which i think gets to the complexity here, right? it can be hard to sort of keep track of this web, but there's a way you can view it as incorps terror or ex-corpitory. getting money from the former soviet union, maybe it doesn't look so weird in li...