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Seven criminal leak investigations and more than twice the number of any previous administration in our history. it is on a scale never seen before. this is the most secretive white house that at least as a journalist i have ever dealt with. >> david gregory, you were there covering george w. bush while nicole was -- >> keeping secrets? >> i never loved david. >> nicole finds this ironic. i'm sure you do too. >> i think there is a difference. i think what jill abramson is talking precisely the leak investigations and i think what she and others find so troubling. >> that's not what she said, d...

With what they are up to and keeping secrets about the bay of pigs. chris christie -- mr. christie, a republican complained that the executive director for the port authority of new york and new jersey was pressing too hard according to a person familiar with the matter. for the record christie denied "wall street journal" report. there is another way going to somebody el somebody else in government saying let's cut this off. why would a governor say use your offices and stop this investigation? >> we know there was a cover up. came wup a cover story, a traffic study. his chief associates at t...

Last century. they never wanted to pay the premiums for being protected. cut us a little slack when we protect you. the 9/11 plot was hatched in germany. there are much more restive muslim populations on the european continent than here. we over do it all. there is no doubt about that. cut us slack for the protection we've given you-all this time. >> that could be an endorsement of what the nsa has been doing and what you said about edward snowden. so where do you come down more on the side of? are you -- >> it's hard to say because we don't really know what the nsa is doing. i'm for more tran...

Of course we're keeping secrets. >> so where is that line though? no one can quite work out, where is the line? >> we don't want a rogue agency. what i don't want to know and find out is that they are dog things and obama doesn't know about it. it's one thing if obama knows about it -- >> he claimed he didn't know the nsa had been bugging angela merkle for years. >> they are in an agency or oliver norths, we don't need that. >> what about edward snowden in terms of the amount he disclosed. people have a view of manning on wic wiki lakes. >> movies are too long. yes, i mean the -- i can't remem...

Job is keeping secrets and my job is finding them out. and that's how i think a pretty good description of how liberal democracies work. now we have the government actually taking steps to keep the secrets and we're having the journalists profession with hair on fire saying our form of government, liberal democracy is under attack. i'm not buying it. i think we're in a time of unparalleled transparency and information flows. and we got unbelievable transparency. in spite of it overclassification and we have some very serious leaks. >> transparency and yet unbelievable ability and reach of gove...