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There's more you can do both -- legal things, banks and individuals both legally and illegally who conduct business with the north koreans but my only concern with that, and best of john bolton says north korea is not an economy. they are a prison camp. the concern here is out of everyone -- military advisors reading on this, we don't have any leverage. that's the biggest point. kim jong un, as long as he's a nuclear arsenal, he has leverage. he's keeping ups and fear. what's the military option? human life in south korea with a densely populated seoul, south korea. i don't know. >> juan: it's...

There's more you can do both -- legal things, banks and individuals both legally and illegally who conduct business with the north koreans but my only concern with that, and best of john bolton says north korea is not an economy. they are a prison camp. the concern here is out of everyone -- military advisors reading on this, we don't have any leverage. that's the biggest point. kim jong un, as long as he's a nuclear arsenal, he has leverage. he's keeping ups and fear. what's the military option? human life in south korea with a densely populated seoul, south korea. i don't know. >> juan: it's...