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You take the god of the bible seriously, if god had wanted to send a test to american evangelicals, especially the white evangelical supporters of trump that would test their faithfulness, nothing could have shown them up to have failed more than this lust for power that goes along with anything. trump, the molester and the person who attacks our security agencies and by the way, speaking as a proud father of a u.s. marine, that doesn't sit well with me. porter, an abuser of women. kelley, someone who has become a serial liar and shown himself to be in many cases to be a racist in the way that...

Dreamers. >> there are 690,000 official daca registrants, and the president sent over what amounts to be two and a half times that number to 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn't sign up. >> many people were afraid to sign up because people like him were in charge of homeland security and you can't make a deal with the white house. >> i think that what kelley said up until it took a detour for crass language where it says lazy and getting off ...

As a down payment. on border security. wall. right? i met with the chief of staff of the president of the united states and i asked, can you define a wall for me? here's what kelley said. he said, it could be the terrain. it could be inhospitable, they don't have to build anything. one of the things he did say, he said, i've educated the president. he made these ill-informed decisions during the campaign about the wall. he said he's educated the president. i listened to that carefully. he said, it could be drones. he said, one thing it's not, it isn't a 50-foot cement wall from sea to shining ...

Some of them do learn, some of them -- i think kelley started out bolder and then pulled himself in. i don't know where he's going now. but the thing is on immigration, that's a place where john kelley and stephen miller really are -- they have the same point of view on immigration. they really are hardliners in that white house. so they are -- they're actually acting out of their own interests. where yals i think the president, i think he's a hard liner as well, but when he gets in there with chuck and nancy or lindsey graham, he wants people to like him. he likes the idea on a certain level ...

I think these headlines about president kelley or president miller undermine both of them. we know one of the reasons the president got sick of steve bannon was the perception that bannon was running the show. he does not like that. and given he already has tension with kelley, i think that's tough. he seems to like steve miller, he seems to -- they seem to have some kind of affinity. i don't really know what it is. but he and kelley kind of chafe, but he and miller are more comfortable. >> "time" magazine ran a thing that said, the most important person in washington for kelley or miller, tha...