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To dislike him so much. >> i don't get it either, actually. he's a gentleman. and he's behaved as one with nbc which has not always been reciprocal gentleman. one of the issues here, one of the reasons they want to move him off is because he doesn't appeal to a younger audience. it used to be in television, you judged who had the most -- the highest ratings, who got the most viewers. but now it's who gets the most younger viewers because that's what advertisers want. the truth is, broadcast television is a medium designed to sell ads. if you don't reach those younger people, you don't sell ads...

To put someone else in, then they moved me back. i'm not going to wait around here. >> just an extraordinary thing. here's a guy who's still number one and all he gets treated like is dirt. everyone flags him off and i'm actually asking kim first, then i'll get to you, ken. let me ask kim first because she broke the story. it does seem odd that everyone's got the knives out for a guy who is number one. >> he was of course hugely damaged in the battle with conan o'brien a couple years ago. >> not through his doing. >> well, no. he took the 10:00 five nights a week, not a decision that people re...

About how they believed all these people were around michael forcing him against his health, really, to do this tour. how significant will any of that be when this trial starts? >> could be very significant. apparently there are e-mails from his choreographer, ken ortega, warning aeg that he's not well, he has serious physical problems, serious psychological and emotional problems, he's asking for professional help, and i'm informed that there are some e-mails from aeg basically telling murray you better get him to rehearsals. so i think this issue is well founded by the siblings and i think i...

Younger viewers because that's what advertisers want. the truth is, broadcast television is a medium designed to sell ads. if you don't reach those younger people, you don't sell ads. >> kim, got to leave it there. final prediction, where will jay go next? he won't give up and there are places like fox which will i'm sure bite his hand off. could he do that, do you think? >> if they decided not to do it when conan was available, why they would do it for jay is a question that will have to be answered. i'm sure they are calculating right now. >> ken, would you go to fox if you were jay, if you ...

>> they were only concerned about the show, moving the show forward. >> these are people working for aeg? >> these are people working for aeg, working for him, working for the show. >> they controlled everything that he did, the people that were around him. they knew he wasn't healthy enough to do those shows but yet they said he was fine. >> when you hear the family talk like that, not entirely surprising, but certainly a familiar pattern. from michael's father to his mother to the siblings, all repeating this same pattern about how they believed all these people were around michael forcing h...