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>> jeff sessions was chairman of the national security advisory committee alongside general michael flynn. he was a senior adviser in the trump campaign. those facts and the department of justice's own rules disqualify attorney general a sessions from running this investigation. attorney general session must recuse himself immediately. any investigation headed, directed by, or influenced by the attorney general will be jaundiced from the very start. >> joining me now is david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc analyst. and kern eichenwald. investigative reporter at "newsw...

Jaundiced from the very start. >> joining me now is david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc analyst. and kern eichenwald. investigative reporter at "newsweek." the white house has said that flynn basically misled them, that it was a type of cover-up. but you've written and reported that it's worse than a cover-up. what do you mean by that? >> well, in washington we say it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. actually, in this case, the big issue is the crime, if it's not a crime, but the event. what happened. we can talk about what michael flynn did after the election in ...