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Conceal or discredit ramirez. kavanaugh told the judiciary committee under oath that the first time he heard about ramirez's allegation was in the september 23 article in "the new yorker." and joining us now is nbc news political reporter leigh ann caldwell, one of the recorders on this brand-new story. leigh ann, thank you so much for join us. >> thank you, joy. >> how early do the text messages go back? do they go back to july? >> sure, joy. so what we've seen we have not seen all of the text messages. we've only seen the text messages that were outlined in this memo that kerry bercham wants...

Investigation, she's more hopeful that they will reach out, but as of a couple of hours ago, they have not yet. so what she wants to do, she wants to present up to 51 text messages that she has had -- that she has between her and her friend karen yersavich. so karen and kerry, they both went to yale with kavanaugh, and these text messages ranged from july to september. and what they do show around september when this new yorker story was coming out that karen saying that brett and/or brett's guy has reached out anticipating that the ramirez allegations would come out. and we talked to an exper...

Times and has not heard back. now that the fbi says that they're going to expand this investigation, she's more hopeful that they will reach out, but as of a couple of ago, they have not yet. what she wants to do, she wants to present up to 51 text messages that she has between her and her friend karen ya yarasavage. so, karen and kerry, they both went to yale with kavanaugh, and these text messages ranged from july to september. and what they do show around september when this "new yorker" story was coming out that karen saying that brett and/or brett's guy has reached out, anticipating that ...

The threat before the pendulum comes back is the undermining of our institutions, from law enforcement to the media, to the way we nominate supreme court justices, because the whole american idea fits into the idea that people have a belief and a trust in the institutions that make it work. when those get undermined, including our election system, then people not believe it, that's very dangerous. >> i want to pick up our conversation from last hour before deborah ramirez accused judge kavanaugh of exposing himself, the judge and his team were communicating behind-the-scenes with friends to re...

First of all, they show that brett kavanaugh is named by name by her classmate who she was corresponding with as basically pushing this classmate to refute deborah ramirez's claims before the new yorker story came out. he did that in a couple of different ways. first of all, asking for her to track down a photograph which we have obtained of both deborah ramirez and brett kavanaugh at a wedding ten years after the alleged incident showing them seemingly smiling at each other. there is a back story behind that. but secondly also it says in one of the text messages that brett specifically pressu...