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Are we looking at potentially a case of obstruction of justice? doug, i want to ask you, can you -- >> let me work off of more began's point. try lawyer -- trial lawyers deal with deductive reasoning. the point is, it's like austin powers. we lost seven racks of e-mails? enough. but -- >> what would you as a lawyer look at? you would want your experts to look at the server where all this was deleted because you can tell a lot. >> we started with the computer crashed. and everybody went on tv and said that doesn't matter. just because the computer crashes doesn't mean you can't retrieve the dat...

Perception and the angst is such within the party that not everybody buys that. i'm asking you, whatever you think big score appeared to have been the case, is settled now with this or is it still bubbling? >> that's a fair question, and i don't want you to think i'm ducking it -- >> you are ducking it. >> i'm trying not to. that scalise represents a segment of the g.o.p. that believes that the more freedom you can provide to the american people, the stronger the country will be. but that's no different than kevin mccarthy. i don't see these differences. maybe five percent of the people watchi...

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Tea partyers wanted some reputation -- representation and got that now. >> that was thought to be one of the messages of the eric cantor defeat last week, they needed an outsider, someone who was very conservative, loyal to the tea party, and that person turned out to be steve scalise. somewhere in thed the leap leadership ranks. steve scalise is the chair of the republican study committee that is the block of the biggest group of conservatives in the house of representatives, and it's significant he will move up there because they also talked about having a southerner. they said we have every...

>> no. they're not giving us the vote tallies. was thought that raul labrador, the conservative congressmann from idaho, they vote against everything, decorrect controlling, the hurricane sandy bill, thigh voted no on almost everything. they used to tell us what the vote tallies were but the votes needed to win, you have 233 members of the house republican conference. if everybody votes it's 117. >> then how do you think these guys get along? kind of sticks out here, against the other two. how will they all work in sync? >> that's going to be very interesting. steve scalise has had good relati...