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slow, obviously, frustratingly slow, but positive outcomes. >> mat gaetz said this ends one of two ways. either mccarthy withdraws from the race, or we construct a straitjacket he's unable to evade. do you support some that support mccarthy that say he is an conceding too much? to arsonists in some c concessions. >> that's the question. that's very frustrating. i remind your viewers, and i know most of them, and you know this. we had an election. in november, all the republicans and all the democrats got together in their individual caucus or conference and they elected their leaders...

Support to be moderate republican and some understanding of power sharing. that seems unlikely. apparently kevin mccarthy has dismissed that possibility. but, you know, i don't really know. i'm stuck following my buddy scott's crazy theories about trying to read the tea leaves about what's going on here. anyone knows -- i mean there is not like -- there is a plan here that people are -- >> why do you consider that a nuclear option to lower the threshold versus staying here for two months and voting? >> well, i mean, it does -- it is a -- because -- >> ultimately, someone is going to win that v...

Remember, people like hearn but i doubt they'll switch from kevin mccarthy to him. i think the strategy is to get larger. that's not happened yet. the other side has not gotten any larger either. i get the feeling they're in that -- >> so is it a sign of weakness that there is a deal being made that you're seeing a second nomination? >> i would just say that donald is in negotiating the deal. right? i'm not so sure, to scott's point, is hearn now the new -- like the new never kevin vote? byron is trying to negotiate a settlement to this whole thing. why you would vote for byron? >> i think the...

Question that i think we will start talking about a little bit more if we go vote after vote after vote. i think it'll require democrats to vote for it as well. would democrats support a rule change to lower simple majority to elect the spaeaker, right? you might get democrats to vote for something like that, not for mccarthy directly, but a rule change, and they can move the ball forward and again, being careful because you're still going to have more votes than hakeem jeffries. >> the other thing is go to a runoff. runoffs haven't been great for republicans lately, but if you had the top two...

People under the leadership of hakeem jeffries. vote after vote, nomination after nomination, democrats are united just like we were united when we passed the american rescue plan to get our economy back on track. united when we passed the infrastructure law to rebuild america, united when we capped insulin at $35, passed safety gun legislation, and passed the act to help our nation's veterans. united when democrats passed the chips and science act to bring manufacturing back to america, united when democrats passed the inflation reduction act to reduce our deficit and protect our environment....