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Of iran. this is things he cannot control. >> i want to open it up to the panel, we talk about the question marks going into the general election this november. certainly gas prices are one, foreign policy is another. i thought it was interesting, we talk about whether or not pain at the pump matters in terms of voting, but financial analysts say a penny rise in gas prices is -- equals $1.4 billion less to spend. josh i'll look at you. if gas goes up, consumers have less to spend, that is pain for consumers and as we look at the economic picture and it getting better or worse as he seeks re-el...

Infrastructure project. the politics of this, i'm not sure how long, i'm not an industry expert. it would have to be years. >> i think for fleets, for america's fleetss and that would have a dramatic change at the price at the pump. you could do it in two or two and a half years. >> we are still talking about november, and what the gas conversation does is pushes obama on sensitive topics, a-in terms of his base. you talk about energy reform, nothing has happened, he talked about it as a candidate and on the other side, for republicans that were skeptical of his commitment to fossil fuels and ...

Perfect but that -- that is what they were talking about, that can be your tank. >> you have this high minded obama line that, we cannot look at the short-term solutions that people will say it, four years ago he was saying the prices of gas are high, and elect me, in a few years we will figure it outs. it's been a few years. >> governor rendell, you have a question? >> the one thing that i think we can do in the medium term, how long would it take with good presidential leadership to build a distribution network to make natural gas available, at least to all of america's fleets? because natur...

Days, or is what you have locked in? >> well, i'm not going to say how much is left and how much we have to gorks that is giving away our strategy. >> you are here, this is a political show. scare. >> lynn? >> msnbc doesn't tell fox news how to position themselves in the marketplace and we will not do it here either. the closing argument is energy. it is a powerful argument, i don't think it's question of whether israel will go to iran, it's a question of what they will drop on iran. and then the keystone pipeline -- >> certainly energy is something that we will discuss on the show and somethi...

That's coming up again? we've all been through high school and remember what those feelings were like. it seems like a distraction when the more serious question at hand is what he knew and what he was going to do about it and whether he was creating a culture in his office, among the people who worked for him who would do this even if he didn't know about it. this is supposed to be his big weekend. he was supposed to be in new jersey presiding over the super bowl everybody thinks is in new york. >> that could be a whole discussion in and of itself. >> and instead, he's back in the corner agai...