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Behind me. mr. zimmerman did not. to say what options he had -- >> he's an older guy, a bigger guy. it's a fights. there are no weapons other than his gun. he's up against a 17-year-old kid who is a bit -- doesn't know what is going on. he's walking home. surely there is another option than pulling out a gun and shooting him dead. >> the main concern you have is everybody makes the presumption that it's just a 17-year-old kid walking home. >> but that's what he was. >> none of us, including myself know, how the altercation began and how it was. the perception that's important is what took plac...

Options available to a person is taking into consideration whether they have fighting skills, any other things. screaming for help was an option which he utilized if you believe he was the one screaming on the recording. to be asked what other options there are and the gentleman says i have other options, i have 22 years of training behind me. mr. zimmerman did not. to say what options he had -- >> he's an older guy, a bigger guy. it a fight, there are no weapons other than his gun. he's up against a 17-year-old kid who is a bit -- doesn't know what is going on. he's walking home. surely there...

Believe that this jury will buy into the self-defense claim and that wipes out murder two and wipes out the aggravated assault, if you believe the self-defense. but again, as we were just talking, if this jury of six women, five moms take a look at the evidence and they say by gosh, exactly what everybody is saying tonight, there is something wrong with the -- with the idea that if somebody could get out of their car, profile somebody as a perpetrator, follow them in the dark, be armed and then shoot them dead and it's just a kid walking home to their parents house. >> right. >> so if they see...

Saying tonight, there is something wrong with the -- with the idea that if somebody could get out of their car, profile somebody as a perpetrator, follow them in the dark, be armed and then shoot them dead and it's just a kid walking home to their parents house. >> right. >> so if they see that, they could conclude that's culpable negligence and might overlook self-defense in that regard. >> that's why the defense is arguing so hard. they don't want those. >> absolutely, yeah. got to move on quickly, tom, to you about dzhokhar tsarnaev, the only surviving boston marathon bomber pleaded not gui...

Looks like not telling the truth. now, the jury is going to have to decide how big an untruth that is. that is what it is. >> it is very telling among all the other things he has said. this is a tough case for the prosecution to put together in that it requires a lot of pieces to refer to. and a lot of these pieces are inconsistent statements that george zimmerman has said. that among them. to me, i think they have to focus on the defining moments of what happened that night. i'm with lisa, i think the fact that he clearly is targeting trayvon martin. he sees this kid walking. he jumps to a co...