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Sense to go forward with something that everybody says isn't working. >> have you ever heard of a law that was totally ignored by the congress and the president? where they had a law, they passed it, they signed it, it became the law of the land, the program became part of the government just like social security or medicare, but then said no, we're going to kill it. and & that's what you propose doing is killing it. >> isn't that what president obama -- >> no. he's delaying one portion of it. >> but you said it's the law of the land. how can he -- >> because it's his job to implement and to e...

Let's fully fund every part of the government except this one piece that's not ready for prime time. there's nothing about a government shutdown in that strategy. everybody's freaking out so much i've got to believe we're on to something here. >> why would the united states senate, which is governed by the democrats, and the president of the united states, who is a democrat and the one who put this bill into action, who got it through the congress, why would he sign legislation which would kill his program after it's already been enacted into law? why would he ever sign such a bill? why would ...

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Going to collapse at some point in time. the one thing matt and i agree on is we both hate obama care but i think that trying to shut the government down as a tactic is a huge mistake. >> what do you think? i'm going to show you the polls here in a minute but i'm not sure polls affect your thinking. but what do you think about whether you should bring the government to a halt for two weeks, three weeks, four months, five months? how long are you willing to shut down the u.s. government to make your point? and then what do you want to do? are you going to say we can't have a government if it in...

That includes killing obama care. it will not exist. there will not be such a bill. it will never get to the president. it will never get to the president's desk. >> listen, chris, i agree with you but i also agree with matt. this law is not ready for prime time. using the c.r., a short-term c.r. to try to come up with some language that's agreeable to delay it for a year, i think is something that could happen within the context of a negotiation. what will not happen is jamming a defunding legislation down the president's throat. it's just not going to work. the problem we have here, matt, is...