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To give that testimony, the irs called and said, guess what, you've got your determination letter, footbally. >> dan, where's the rest of the press corps on this? it is like the story doesn't exist? >> other than people like kim and a few others digging into it and coming up with really troubling details. remember, is this not any garden variety of government. this is the irs with the tax power to -- over every american. >> the standard line for why we're not covering it there's no smoking gun connecting the white house. i kind of agree, there is month smoking gun, there's really a smoking fus...

What's pointed out here, this seems to be a farce. you got this probe headed up by a former obama donor, barbara bosserman, a trial lawyer heading up out of the civil rights division of the justice department which traditionally been known as sort of a hot bed of liberalism. >> hold it, kim, this is not being run out of the criminal division? >> right. public integrity unit which is where it should be. this is being run out of the civil rights division. >> what is the civil rights response when pointed out? >> you know, they don't have a response. that was actually part of discussion in front ...

They appear to simply not want to share. or in fact, they're maybe not doing what they're supposed to be doing. >> there's also new evidence this week that the irs is still going after conservative groups when it is vetting tax exempt status. tell us about that kim. >> yeah, so, you know, one of the biggest fictions this year is the idea that somehow the entire irs targeting thing has been solved and fixed. there was a story i had out about this one group, the tea party patriots. it's astounding. they're still being targeted. they had been approached last year by the irs for a special deal. th...

Another one of this thing does is reduce the corporate rate to 25%. >> which is 35%. closer to 40 if you include state rates. >> yeah. if you talk to people in business, they would say, wow, that would enlock a lot of money if you would get that rate down to 25%. the interesting thing is, obama could have had that 25% rate in his first terp. there's generalized bipartisan support for doing it. he won't do it, which is one of the big problems sitting in the middle of tax reform right now. we don't have the presidents willing to participate in the process. >> you know, kim, dave camp came in to ...

New questions this week about the investigation into the irs targeting of conservative groups. with the house subcommittee holding hearings, you know just how seriously the department of justice is taking this probe. they're doing this as liberal groups like the aclu and sierra club join conservative clubs voicing opposition into a new irs rule into further restricting political speech. for more on both of these developments i'm joined by "wall street journal" column dannetinger. kim strofle and colin levy. kim, let's start with you there in sin city, washington. you're covering the hearings t...