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met him, we got put together at a dinner with a whole bunch of people, and by the end of that dinner, he and by the end of that dinner, he and i were planning an expedition together with our families to climb kilimanjaro. he saw that we had the same interest, to do something quite extraordinary, and he immediately invited me along to what was already a very well prepared expedition —— hamish. i didn't happen but it was by the by. so he understood the risks, he's done some remarkable things in his life, you know, he used his position in ways that hopefully people will focus on now...

Future — doing this sort of mission in the future. these dives are not unusual, it's the _ future. these dives are not unusual, it's the kind — future. these dives are not unusual, it's the kind of thing that has become _ it's the kind of thing that has become almost routine. in terms of fee-paying — become almost routine. in terms of fee—paying passengers and tourists, this is— fee—paying passengers and tourists, this is something that's been a bit controversial, there have been concerns— controversial, there have been concerns raised, so i think there'll be an— concerns raise...