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>> jim: my first film was a student film, "permanent vacation." >> i think people like myself are crazy. because of the way i live, you know. >> jim: nyu film school made a mistake, so i had a $12,000 budget for my first film. >> anthony: which is enormous for the time. >> jim: it was huge, for me. but the root of the word amateur is the love of a form. and professional means you are doing it for money. which i still hope -- i consider myself an amateur, for sure. >> anthony: what was the budget on your first film? >> amos: oh man. >> jim: $12. >> amos: yeah. well, it depends on what you call ...

My first narrative film. it was like about $4,000. >> jim: i think in "unmade beds" someone from "the new york times" called it "the cinematic equivalent of kindergarten scribbling." and amos put that on his posters. "new york times." and that was the most like punk ass move. >> anthony: so yeah, what do you think now when you walk around the neighborhood, you know, you used to -- you had to pay some dues to walk down back in the day. and now it's projectile vomiting frat boys with baseball caps on backwards. does this give you a sinking feeling? make you angry? or -- >> amos: i wish i would'v...

Which i still hope -- i consider myself an amateur, for sure. >> anthony: what was the budget on your first film? >> amos: oh man. >> jim: $12. >> amos: yeah. well, it depends on what you call first film, but um, "blank generation" was like $2,200. i started shooting bands, and it was more, how do you shoot music with a silent camera. and then "unmade beds" was like my first narrative film. it was like about $4,000. >> jim: i think in "unmade beds" someone from "the new york times" called it "the cinematic equivalent of kindergarten scribbling." and amos put that on his posters. "new york time...

Would have made more money. >> i always had a cue ball and a sock in my pocket. i'd split your head open. >> nobody cared what we were doing. we were just left to our own devices. >> we came together. >> she's like my daughter. >> an extraordinary time. so do you have any sense -- >> no. those were the bad old days, baby. >> under extraordinary circumstances -- >> that's insane and it's sick and it's wrong and i don't even want to complain about it. >> i'm complaining about it. i'm bitter. >> "the new york times" called it the cinematic equivalent of kindergarten scribbling. >> in new york cit...