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To the column that the biden approach is working and progressives in some ways are being marginalized? >> look, the establishment of the democratic party is certainly on a winning streak. they've been winning these primaries. they won in cleveland the other day. convincingly. when chantel brown with the support of king maker or queen maker jim clyburn defeated nina turner, backed by bernie sanders and the squad. and this has been a pattern. and david makes an interesting point, which is if -- either you're the base or you're not, right. so if you are the base, the progressives do represent the...

After your reporting for your book, "i alone can fix it" and sitting with donald trump, hardened journalists that you are, carol then phil -- have you come away with the conclusion you think donald trump will, indeed, run for president in 2024? >> jonathan, it's impossible to know. i'll tell you, as i sat across from him on the silk brocade sofas and he in his chair, he sounded, to me, like a guy who wanted to run. wanted to run for everything. he was talking about himself in the third person, you know, about the volume of the party that supports him. he said look at the numbers. look at the n...

Exception. and as we also know that incumbent white houses have a difficult time in midterm elections that end up coming. your base of voters after winning get complacent. and one of the reasons you have joe biden going to virginia to campaign is to get the base fired up. virginia is a democratic leaning state but if their democratic turnout is low, this could end up being a pretty close race between terry and glenn youngkin. >> and there is dynamics there for the republican party, right? you have president donald trump who seeks to be a king maker. there is reports about his team looking to s...

I don't think there's any one person that ought to be able to deny anybody their voting rights and other constitutional rights. >> now, allow me to look back for a moment, congressman. in early 2020, your endorsement of joe biden all but rescued his sinking campaign ahead of the crucial primary in your state. in fact, the morning that you endorsed him, i put up this picture. you and joe biden appeared at a national action network breakfast with me, and you leaned over and told me, i'm going to endorse joe about 11:00. this is about 8:30 in the morning. so i knew that morning where you were goi...

Biden owes his election as president to his friend congressman jim clyburn. dean of the south carolina democratic political delegation. as the de facto king maker in south carolina, congressman james clyburn gave joe biden a crucial and very well timed endorsement. a big public endorsement before the south carolina primary, and that endorsement plucked biden's campaign out of the doldroms, set him on an inox orable path to win south carolina and the nomination. now congressman clyburn gave an interview in which he said specifically what now president biden muts do on voting rights. so democrat...