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To defraud the united states. i think the challenge, of course, is that trump was enabled by dishonest attorneys like rudy giuliani, john eastman, jenna ellis. and i think they're the weak link here and where i think the justice department would be wise to focus their efforts. they were lying to state officials, they were lying to other officials in the federal government. and they really, i think, have at times let their guard down and made it clear that they knew the truth. now trump also -- i think there's evidence that he knew the truth, as well. but it's a little bit more complicated beca...

Some have grown government, like fdr, as a way to not deal with inflation in the '30s but to make sure the economy was sound. in the '60s, lyndon johnson agreed to raise taxes in 1968 when inflationary pressures were happening. so democrats tend to turn to government. ronald reagan, on the other hand, transformative republican, relied on the federal reserve and cutting government as their solutions. >> meg, this week congressman gerry connolly addressed one of the democrats' shortcomings ahead of the midterms. listen. >> we passed a $1.9 trillion covid relief bill in march. huge. it cut child ...

You see it in wall street, a record. you see it in economic growth, nearly a record in terms of 7% growth over the fourth quarter. you see it in the lowest unemployment filings since 1969. so we have a lot to talk about. there's obviously a lot still to be done and the pandemic continues to rage, but i think we have a good story to tell if we tell it. >> you've mentioned messaging a few times now. i mean, do you think the problem is getting things done or do you think you need to do a better job of messaging? >> i think we need to do a better job of messaging. for example, you know, i heard in...

Good for that long, and as somebody who has studied this man, perhaps understands him better than most, what do you think is his secret? >> well, number one, he's a more gifted athlete than people realize. he really has an unbelievable throwing arm, and his motivation is really second to none. you know, he -- i think that with him in particular, there's very few people like this, but i think that the game was more than just a game for him. it cut to something essential. i think that so much of his self-identity, maybe even self-esteem was wrapped up in playing every game. it's one of the reaso...

The wing on economic issues, she's not for medicare for all, that would be a key race to watch in terms of if the eric adams' model is viable not just in cities like new york city. >> no question about it. the race will be enormous. tarini, one of the things -- democrats understand that covid is the key here. interconnected with covid is the economy. those issues are critical in terms of the midterm elections. if you look at the current generic ballot, fox news had republicans 43%, democrats 49%, a -- 39%. but there is frustration with the messaging. >> we passed a 1$1.9 trillion covid relief ...