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Have to have run through these traps. do they lose the moment or have to explain this for the rest of the political campaign and up to the 2020 election. you are going to see bickering back and forth and trump is going to exploit that to as much as he can to either pelosi pushing the pendulum towards it impeachment. the faster they get there, the more they have to point out they don't have anything else. >> he's saying yes, he's giving his attorney general remarkable power. bill barr now has been given by the president a remarkable power that the attorney general has the authority to call the ...

The two court decisions. >> meaning the courts are going your way anyway. >> right. or they seem to be. so that's weaker. but the fact of the matter is we have to pursue what's that we p investigations, we pursue the contempt citations. we pursue the subpoenas. we lay it all out to the american people, the case out to the american people whether we call it impeachment and see where we go from there. whether we call it an impeachment inquiry or not is secondary significance compared to what we have to do. >> is it clear to you there isn't much legal advantage to calling something an impeachment...

Those things he said like i'll take the mantle of the shutdown, i'll be proud to carry the mantle and that lasted a couple days. >> who made him look weak on that? it was nancy pelosi. >> and nancy pelosi had another victory today in her internal caucus because she has people who want her to go right out to impeachment. and what she's been saying all along is no, we can do the same kind of investigation, but we don't have to call it impeachment. we don't have to risk alienating people who don't like that idea. she got two court decisions this week that said these investigations can proceed, ca...

Along is no, we can do the same kind of investigation, but we don't have to call it impeachment. we don't have to risk alienating people who don't like that idea. she got two court decisions this week that said these investigations can proceed, can get information without actually calling it impeachment. that's a victory for her against her own caucus. >> i don't think her caucus is going to see it that way. >> you don't think so? >> no. realistically, yes. >> it strengthens her hands, get more court decisions, and build to impeachment. down road, and let's not do it right now. >> members of h...

She was more cautious on how to punish him. let's watch. >> in order to have an investigation of any kind if you want to call it impeachment or whatever, you have to have the subpoena. you have to go to court. you have to develop your case. and it's not personal. it's about patriotism and that the facts will take us where we need to go. >> i mean, everybody says it's the most animated political life i've ever seen. according to an nbc news count of the 235 house democrats, 31 have either called, one way or another to get the impeachment ball rolling. 31 out of the 200 plus. only one republican...