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>> kennedy: i think unfortunately that george conway has forced this fight. he has made it as personal as he can, and he knows if he accuses the president of not having a mental illness the president will respond and respond forcefully. kellyanne conway went on tv and said the president -- the husband, rather, had already asked her to leave the administration. he want her to quit her job and she said no. that obviously has created an uncomfortable dynamic. but shame on him for forcing that dynamic into the public and the most publicly possible, that he knows is going to have this exact results...

Driving the kitchen table conversation in america. >> was that eye opening for you? you've been one of the strongest critics of the administration on the whole russia investigation, you've been, you know, leading the way on this. major player on foreign relations. but the lesson of the 2016 campaign is probably the pocketbook issues really are what matter to people. >> it is not surprising to me because this is the second year i've done that walk and i certainly do enough things in my state to understand that there is a disconnect sometimes between what we're focusing on but that doesn't mean ...

>> i disagree. >> let me ask you about something paul krugman said. he said people have been saying for years that the crash is coming, the crash is coming. i've been saying it since 1994, i've been talking about the need to balance the budget. we balanced the budget four years in a row in the 1990s. i know you've been talking about it as well. but, you know, last night i was having a discussion with a friend via e-mail. he said, joe, nobody cares about the debt. and you know, you get outside the policymakers, sometimes, unfortunately, that seems to be the case. how do we make americans care a...

He talked about the folks who are overseas defending this country. a kitchen table conversation with his daughters and the first lady. i think it gives hope to members of this community, and goes along way for folks across the country on their own journey for this issue. >> let's stay away from politics for two minutes, gay people in the country, what do you think their reaction was? >> positive, it turns up the needle. the dialogue is turned up to a level that's it's not been at. up until this week, prior to the president's statement and vice president biden's statement, the most senior choic...

But also in a way that helped all people on this journey really find common humanity with him. he talked about the people he's met along wait. he talked about the folks who were overseas defending this country. he talked about a kitchen table conversation with his daughters and with the first lady. so it does a great deal, not just to inspire an empower and give hope to members of this community, but it goes a long way to really helping folks out there across the country who are on their own journey on this issue. >> let me ask clark. let's stay away from politics for two seconds with you. or ...