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What does that mean? are you suggesting the military has to hold off and we have to see if any of these come to fruition, any of these meetings come to fruition and is there a reason expectation that will happen? >> there really isn't. we spent -- we spent ten years in iraq. more than 100,000 troops, a trillion dollars trying to find -- the precursor, the junior level of isis, when it was just ail kite ta in iraq. and the lead er, al baghdadi is iraqi. and that didn't work. we are not willing to send another 100,000 troops, spend another ten years and another trillion dollars. it is hard to se...

Has to hold off and we have to see if any of these come to fruition, any of these meetings come to fruition and is there a reason expectation that will happen? >> there really isn't. we spent -- we spent ten years in iraq. more than 100,000 troops, a trillion dollars trying to find -- the precursor, the junior level of isis, when it was just ail kite ta in iraq. and the lead er, al baghdadi is iraqi. and that didn't work. we are not willing to send another 100,000 troops, spend another ten years and another trillion dollars. it is hard to see how there would be a dent here and the track record...

Ail kite ta is a -- allocate da is a terrorist organization that is fuelled by violent extremism across the middle east. that larger con -- con text, we have the i best chance we have had in a generation to change that narrative. it is no longer about terrorism or victimization. it is about democracy, governments that work. it's about the majority of the people across the middle east who are under 30. they are the ones watching. this is a part of that struggle. it will be difficult. we have to try. it is in our interest as well as our moral interest. >> a lot to think about for our viewers if ...