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Everything is not so black and white. even blackface is not black or white. white people painting their faces and acting out black ster ster stereotypes is racist and terrible. fine. all offenses are not equal. in virginia the attorney general is facing calls to resign because he came forward and admitted he painted his face like a rapper when he was 19. dumb, offensive. he was a teenager. teenagers do dumb stuff. as a fully grown man he came forward, admitted it and apologized. we all make mistakes. all you can ask the people is own their screw ups and learn and grow. that's totally different...

Be known that there were black people going out for the tea party. or they would write insane stories that we were racists, we were bigots, we just took off our klan hoods. this distrust with the press has been -- >> but -- i'll give you that but -- >> well, it's there. you have to. >> i think this is larger than that. because this white house has eroded trust in our institutions. let me give you the perfect example. the president of the united states, the vice president, kellyanne conway, the chief of staff and sean spicer have all come out and said that they've had no campaign contacts with ...

Fall back on it, and part of it is what happens at that automatic moment is to give somebody a gun and not think about it, and this is about the racial politics of guns. we have not had that conversation before and one other book is a book from the 1960s where he is arguing for self-defense in a way, that there is a question of sel self-defense, so that the question of who gets a gun and who gets to defend themselves is a highly historical racialized issue. >> and self-defense is fine, until it is the black panthers who want self-defense and then we are talking about gun control laws. and we w...

It is image of white men in klan hoods that i find frightening. so nicole, i want you to comment on this idea that zimmerman is not a white man, that he has latino, ethnic background and heritage, and this is also part of the discourse in sean's case, this idea because there were officers of color, that it could not be racialized, and where have you and your family and the folks doing the work around sean's case come down on these questions? >> well sh, it comes down in th same similarities as the trayvon martin case. sean and his friends were outside of the club leaving from his bachelor's cl...

Cavaliers was a sour sport. the guy put himself on the free market he made a choice that's the way it works. if he doesn't like it, too bad. >> wait a minute, free market! i love it. >> maybe jesse jackson hasn't been in the news enough in lately and he figures this is an easy way to get back in. >> sean: maybe you are right. i think frustrating. here's why the department of justice case is important. i know your background you care deeply about civil rights. you wouldn't want guys in klan hoods spewing racial epithets to voters going into the booth as they bang their baton. we can't have that...