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Nobody wanted to even put him on television. i was doing an interview in miami, florida. he came into the gym and they turned the cameras off because they were interviewing me for the fight, they turned the cameras off until he was out of the way. and he got a second chance and he was the greatest show in the world. >> mr. foreman, i'm going to ask you to stick around, we have to take a short commercial break. tim shanahan, biographer, please stick around. we're going to take a short break as we remember the greatest of all time, muhammad ali. reward points, every time i drive. ...want my numb...

About him. they thought he was more showman than fighter. it was hard to comprehend that this big, graceful guy could be a heavyweight champion of the world which meant a lot to the world at that time. that was not how we thought of the heavyweight champion. a guy who is 6'3" and 210, 212 pounds and could move like a little guy. and -- and as time went on, we found that he was one of those graceful athletes who concealed the spirit and the fierceness that he really had. you had to see him with a lot of

You have the people who grew up with muhammad ali and followed his brashness, followed his anger, his power, his fight with the government. and then his victories over the years. then you have the young girl audience that is really sort being reintroduced to this figure, a brash bombastic boxer, three-time world champion dying at the age of 74. a revered fighter for his quick feet, even faster punches. a man remembered for his contribution to civil rights. his early and vocal objection to the vietnam war, one that cost him several years as a boxer. >> for more on the life and legacy of muhamma...

Knock him out. but let me tell you, after that zaire episode, too much respect. >> and then what did you -- what were your impressions of him as that young man who said i will not go to war to vietnam, i will not go to kill people, who had to put his entire boxing career on hold, he was forced to do that for at least three years until the u.s. supreme court stepped in and allowed him to box again. what were your impressions of this young man and the courage that it took for him to do that but at the time people weren't using the word courageous. >> surprising, i remember that the day he resist...

Stories and i'm certain he understood and remembered him. he was so well taken care of by his caretakers. he looked beautiful then and i just sit next to him and put myself on him and whispered in his ear things. we were close. >> and what are your thoughts for the family this week? we heard from the mayor who said that it is likely that muhammad ali will be laid to rest this upcoming week. what are your thoughts, mr. foreman? >> well, there are so many people, the realization that there were so many people who truly loved muhammad ali. a lot of times people say he's got a lot of hangers on in...