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Me. but he doesn't look to me like a person who has been motivated by rational behavior for some time. >> a self-described dirty trickster as well. rick tyler, msnbc analyst and republican strategist, is with me, and former dnc senior adviser doug thornel. rick, the president, during the past 30 or 45 minutes or so, witch hunt, no collusion, we continue to hear that from this president. but if you are president trump or one of his senior advisers, how worried are you about this roger stone arrest? >> remarkably worried. if this is in fact a witch hunt, then roger stone is a warlock, and they'v...

It. people need to be held accountable and we need to begin to heal. >> stone's attorney, grant smith, again, we're expecting to hear from roger stone in the next 30, 45 minutes or so. why would roger stone feel compelled to make a statement after being indicted, arrested and being forced to post this $250,000 signature bond? >> buckle up. what we're getting here in this breaking news is one mueller indicting very senior long time associate of donald trump for things he tried to do relating to collusion. number two, that person, roger stone, saying he's going to fight it. that would begin righ...

Prone to do. president trump tweeting just a few moments ago, i believe we have the tweet, there it is. greatest witch hunt in the history of our country. now collusion. border coyotes, drug dealers and human traffickers are treated better. who alerted cnn to be there? apparently that last question there referenced to the fact that there was video of roger stone being arrested by fbi agents. glenn, based on this 24 page indictment we've all been poring over for the past few hours, how solid of a case is this? >> craig, it looks to be a strong case. let me correct what we just heard reported as...

The president and certainly nothing with the white house. roger stone is somebody who has been a consultant for dozens of republican presidents and candidates and members of congress. the president did nothing wrong. there was no collusion on his part. the president has actually, unlike his predecessor been tough on russia. >> reporter: this is a well worn strategy. we've seen the white house do this with george pop dopiloapad saying he was a low level coffee boy, paul manafort only played a small role in the trump campaign, even though he was a chairman during the convention. president trump ...

Moving ahead of schedule and expects to rest its case next week. joining us now is former federal prosecutor glenn kershner out with a new piece entitled is collusion a crime? it may not matter. why manafort's trial is focused on financial wrongdoing for now. if you want to put aside the python jacket and ostrich jacket and wire transfers from cypress, what's important to focus on the manafort trial? >> i would agree we shouldn't be focusing on his opulent lifestyle, the ostrich jacket and the python jacket, i guess we can be thankful he didn't have panda fur boots, as well. it's funny, the mo...