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Kushner, might be too much even for the republicans. moreover, mueller's a crafty dude. so he's working with state prosecutors as well. lots of exposure for all of these guys for state crimes. guess what, the president of the united states has no power over state prosecutions. couldn't pardon. >> the attorney general in albany can't wait to get going here. let me ask frank one last question. i forgot my last question. i was already done here. no, what about the fact that the president will have this pardon authority? do you agree he won't use it? >> i think he might, but i agree that it would ...

Lawyers, investigators he's hiring as to what's he's looking int into. i'm sure the lawyers representing the president and whoever may be involved know that. the "post" reporting the president was, quote, disturbing, after knowing mueller would be able to access several years of his tax returns. yesterday, the president laid down a red line, according to the "times" saying mueller should not look too far into his family's finances. "bloomberg" reporter, greg ferell, has been doing digging on exactly that. listen to what he told anderson just a short time ago. >> what we've learned is that he's...

That we expect to take three or four weeks. so there is going to be some other shoe that drops, unless they move the case, unless they decide to push it off for some reason, there's going to be some other shoe that drops no matter what between now and the election. >> that's been scheduled for a long time, though. >> mueller might not pull a comey but he could pull a lawrence walsh, who indicted cap weinberger days before the election. it seems to me to be an abstract concept. you mentioned comey. if you have a prosecutor who's after a target or feels some compelling reason to intervene, they'...

The hillary clinton piece of this and that campaign of confusion a little later on in the program. carl, i noticed you said on friday night on i think don lemon's show that this is a deadly serious matter. do you think journalists are meeting the moment and taking this as seriously as it should be? >> yes. i think we have seen some of the greatest reporting of the presidency that we've seen in the last 50, 60 years by "the washington post," "the new york times," some by cnn, by mother jones. we've seen that there is an attempt by the white house and the people around the campaign and the presi...