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For who he would become from an early age and his mother had a lot to do with this. she was his biggest fan and earliest fan. he was cut out for big things. kobe a hero. he wanted to be a hero. not just to be seen as a hero but to actually be a hero. >> when did you personally recognize -- we all saw a problem in that first debate with mondale in '84. "wall street journal" front page talked about it. did you see something besides what we all saw in terms of failure? >> not in that debate. i saw what everybody else was watching. >> no, at home. >> no. >> did you see something at home that we di...

>> when you say the word strange people go the kind of dark creepy side. it was the opposite of that. he was too good in a way. like he was from another planet. i never heard him -- you rarely heard him swear. usually telling a joke. i never hear him gossip about anybody. who doesn't gossip about people at work or whatever. not him. just wouldn't do it. >> what was going on in the room when he was alone. what was ronald reagan like when he was in the room alone? >> and he was guy who, i think, was creating his narrative constantly, his own personal narrative. he was creating particularly in hi...