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I don't share your moment. i didn't think trump thing was durable. i think it was our emotion, our heart not our party's head. our heads prevail when things get serious. >> but the last 24 hours we've had a religious test from ben carson. we have donald trump suggesting, again, on "meet the press" that -- >> reflecting back to the whole country. >> but wait a second do you think ben carson's numbers are going to go up or down because he talked about a religious test. >> i hope they go down. >> you know what? they are not. they are is going to go up. it's a problem. it's a problem until somebod...

Tell me please? >> we treated people in degrading ways. we put blindfolds on them. >> pictures of them naked in piles. >> were they sexually abused? >> there was abuse. >> what's different? >> this is against defenseless little boys that are being chained to a bed and being raped. >> how is this not a huge scandal. >> how is this not as bad as abu ghraib? >> i hate to play to media conspiracies but if this happened under a republican president there would be controversy. it should be the only thing we're talking about right now. >> i completely agree with you. i think it would be -- it would b...

Knows something is going on with the climate. >> what about last winter? >> more interesting aspect is here in this country, the 21st century, first quarter of the 21st century we have both political parties that lean on pollsters. the pope is arriving at 4:00 he doesn't have pollsters, he doesn't care about pundits. he'll talk about climate change. >> mark halperin, eugene robinson, artie fleischer, thank you very much. still ahead former a krmfl-cio president joins us. and kasie hunt has a report meanry a shriver has a surprising look at the politics of modern catholics in america.

Questions, right? you got a young boy -- we have a story so horrible that i can't even bear to read through it, it's so horrible and yet forget about what's happening in new england, this is happening on u.s. bases while our leaders know young boys are being raped and sodomized and young soldiers coming to their defense are being punished. people need to be fired and the president needs to speak out. >> our country just didn't condone it they lookeder to way and protected these rapists. >> and allowed it on usa base. since we first went to afghanistan our soldiers have seen this happening in t...

Nicole said he did seem a little upset. nicole said that run for president was all lightning in the bottle. i remember one time you told me you have to raise more money, really, to run statewide for senate in a big state than you do getting a foot hold in a presidential race because if you catch lightning in a bottle you take off. we saw that with trump, we saw that with carly fiorina who wasn't going to be in the cnn debate and opposite effect with scott walker who was first place in july. out now. >> i remember having the conversation around this table and the cameras were not on and people ...