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Despot, then we have that problem. and as long as we have a the impeachment. president who is prepared to >> the liberals were able to pardon anyone before he's forced to leave office if that happens, swing 62 conservatives after the we have a difficulty. impeachment vote. the bill went to the country's the only path to protect the country is to treat the entire constitutional court which despite its name is not actual nation as the jurors and to attack the senate which will eventually a court but a nine never give us a fair trial. person body who decides on bury we have to go over there at co...

We can't run this trial like you would run a trial where you just pack the jury with people who are sympathetic to the defendant and dismiss the case. yes, we've had trials like that in american history. i refer to the trials of klansmen in the '60s. yes, we've done that. but trials in the united states, the vast majority of cases, certainly an impeachment trial the president of the united states needs to be a fair trial with witnesses, with evidence. and then the senate decides what to do. they can convict donald trump, which is i believe is overwhelming evidence of his guilt. they could walk...

Out. for example, in the andrew johnson senate trial, there were 41 witnesses. president polk once said in 1846 in impeachment situations, congress should get everything unprecedented gag order. it's never happened before in american history that the president has said everything, every witness, every document can't be turned over. and there were obviously some witness, including trump administration officials who defied that and went and testified in congress like ambassador sondland, fiona hill and the like. but bolton and kupperman did not. they instead filed a lawsuit saying we don't know ...

>> looking forward to more awkward pauses and awkward hugs in to 20. that does it for me. i'm going to see you back here at 11:00 a.m. eastern. "hardball" is next. >> fighting the freeze, let's play hardball. ♪ >> good evening. i'm jeff bennett in for chris matthews. new evidence continues to bolster the case against the president as he awaits his trial in the u.s. senate. "the new york times" is revealing stunning details tabt tug of war inside the administration after the president ordered a freeze on u.s. aid to ukraine according to dozens and current officials, mr. trump's demands sent s...

Sort of this swirling storm around them. are you picking up any sort of early signs of that from your west wing sources? >> i am, nicole. there seems to be an eagerness for trump to grasp onto any shred of evidence that could bolster the case that impeachment is helping the president politically. and we've seen the president echo those points back out in public. he is claiming that the polls are through the roof and showing that impeachment is making him more popular, you know, the fact of the matter is he remains unpopular, underwater, and not in a particularly good standing, at least accordi...