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He was playing either to protect himself or to help the president. but this is so far out of the usual realm of what prosecutors see with witnesses that are cooperating that that in and of itself really makes you stop and take a look at what's going on here. >> liz, you've got some experience with people lying to cover things up. what is your reaction to this news? >> well, it just raises even more seriously, if you can say that, than we've seen before, the possibility if not the actuality of conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government to affect the election. the fact that...

See with witnesses that are cooperating that that in and of itself really makes you stop and take a look at what's going on here. >> liz, you've got some experience with people lying to cover things up. what is your reaction to this news? >> well, it just raises even more seriously, if you can say that, than we've seen before, the possibility if not the actuality of conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government to affect the election. the fact that they could be discussing a peace plan which is the -- which would be the kwid proprofor the russian help, they want to help trum...