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Interest. >> martha: we know that he and dr. fauci had an e-mail exchange where he thanked dr. fauci for having his back in this part of the debate. but then i look at an interview that dr. redfield, the former head of the cdc did on cnn. this caught a lot of attention and has continued to draw my attention. we played this sound bite many times. here's what he said in a look back at the early days of this virus. watch this. >> normally when a pathogen goes from a zoonote to a human, it has to figure out how to be efficient in human-to-human transmission. i don't think it makes biological sense...

But right from the beginning, public perception favored natural emergence over lab escape and that perception was very much shaped by a letter that appeared in the lansit and conspiracy theory and the way this emerged we should all stand shoulder to shoulder with our chinese colleagues on the forefront of the disease. now, this letter it later turned out had been drafted and organized by dr. daszak who, of course, if the virus have indeed escaped from wuhan lab he might personal will perceived as -- as being at fault for not overseeing it better so he had a clear conflict of interest which unf...

Didn't see through large holes of the anderson and those letters that so much shaped public opinion. but with the journalist going along with the natural emergence theory editor who is i guess depending on their advice went along too. and in additionally, the whole issue became horribly politicized essentially by president trump saying that virus escaped from wuhan lab. and not providing any evidence, now i'm pretty sure my guess is that what his intelligence service said to him was exactly the same as they've been saying under the biden administration then we cannot rule out the possibility o...

But just to understand the context of this. if it is further corroborated that this was a lab escape as opposed to something in the wet market there as china has said from the beginning, what would that mean? what would that have meant this was an attempt to weaponize potentially based on what we know about this lab? or more likely shoddy research of a coronavirus? >> those are two viable options. certainly intelligence community i'm quite confident is not rejected that out of hand. that's still an open possibility. but that's the problem. there are any number of alternatives. and in the absen...

More than that, is just blindness i can put it that way of our media where to polarized to see these big issues for their own sake without putting a political quest on them. everyone was for the blindsided it from the start. by these two letters that we just discussed into thinking that natural emerges with a possible solution. and in fact, you have to possible scenarios, we have no direct evidence for either of them. we don't know the origins. but we have to possible scenarios but if you look at all ofof the evidence and asked themselves, which scenario explains expect better. it seems to me ...