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Was dismissed and treated as nonsensical by the media. tell us about what your perspective is on that aspect of this story? >> right, so we see lately in the last few months that this story about the lab leak hypothesis actually holding water and has gained quite a lot of attraction. it is now considered in the mainstream as of yesterday in "vanity fair" published it an amazing piece come i think 12,000 word article. it doesn't get more mainstream than periodicals like "vanity fair." and so for the rest of us and of hipsters who early on entertained this thought, we are kind of looking at this...

Blindness if i can put it that way of our media too polarized to see scientific issues for their own sake and without putting a political glass on them. and everyone was sort of blindsighted right from the start by these two letters we've just discussed into thinking that natural emergence was a possible solution, in fact, two possible scenarios we have no direct evidence for either of them. so we must keep our minds open. we don't know for sure the origin of the virus. it is just we've got these two possible scenarios. but if you look at all of the evidence, and ask yourself well which scenar...

Accumulating evidence until i've found i had enough to write a very, very long 11,000 word article. mark: and why do you think you're one of the few people who was curious enough and motivated enough to do this? i mean, there are people still "the new york times" and washington post were there are people cbs nbc, abc a virus that's killed a enormous amount of people that shut down our economy that changed the way we govern ourselves and media will pick up stories on things that are no consequence whatsoever and yet here you are, i guess you're semiretired and here you are you're looking at thi...

Didn't see through large holes of the anderson and those letters that so much shaped public opinion. but with the journalist going along with the natural emergence theory editor who is i guess depending on their advice went along too. and in additionally, the whole issue became horribly politicized essentially by president trump saying that virus escaped from wuhan lab. and not providing any evidence, now i'm pretty sure my guess is that what his intelligence service said to him was exactly the same as they've been saying under the biden administration then we cannot rule out the possibility o...

Situation and accumulating evidence. i found i had not to write a very very long 11000 word article. mark: and what he think you're one of the few people who is curious enough and motivated enough to do this. there are people still the new york times and washington post and there are people in cbsn nbc and abc, you are talking about the virus that is killed in an enormous number of people in that shut down our economy, change the way beeman kevin and govern ourselves. in the media will pick up stories on things that there is no consequenced whatsoever and yet here you are, i guess you are semi...