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But in a situation where you have restricted labor ability, manufacturers and producers tend to want to hire more, but the wage sort of tops out. >> also remember in wisconsin, there's the recall fight that will be going on over the next few months. and you see a lot of this is driven by steel, which pays good bucks -- >> everybody watching the show, despite all the conservative and right-wing argument that the government's hiring and hiring and hiring and there's more and more padding and feather bedding and jobs in the government, the fact is private sector jobs have been going up and up and...

Everybody wins. but in a situation where you have restricted labor ability, manufacturers and producers tend to want to hire more, but the wage sort of tops out. >> also remember in wisconsin, there's the recall fight that will be going on over the next few months. and you see a lot of this is driven by steel, which pays good bucks -- >> everybody watching the show, despite all the conservative and right-wing argument that the government's hiring and hiring and hiring and there's more and more padding and feather bedding and jobs in the government, the fact is private sector jobs have been goi...

There or going to try to get something passed for the payroll tax extension. what sort is interesting about that graph is ohio, indiana, right to work states. they are having fights with labor. wisconsin, same thing. what that fight is going to have, and whether or not the governor wins and there's going to be a right to work legislation that will limit union bargaining and restrict the ability to get a wage that they believe is fair could have an impact on hiring as well. it just depends. >> ironically, there's a better situation for organized labor mean less hiring or more hiring? >> a stron...