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Field because he tested positive. i don't know if you know someone is getting an advantage as much as you look at it and say we're going to look back at this period as a period of no rules and we have to remember which teams had real rosters and which teams didn't. >> wow. >> howard, i want to continue with this because this is something you and i talked about in the past, my podcast, and something i scream about online. when i look at the nfl, it's not just a sport to me it's a labor issue. the nfl announces two weeks ago, even though these players are millionaires and make billions of dollar...

Vets brought into the system. >> yes and no, look -- >> and you're cutting their funding by hundreds of billions. >> quite frankly, what's happening here, and it's actually paradoxical, the va has expanded -- we put enough money in, more people that are eligible are using it now which is a good thing, but it does create an add mministrative prom in terms of catch-up. there's more people using it because the facilities in many cases are better. >> yes, 2 million more. >> believe me, i understand. that's about 7 million. about 25 million in terms of veterans populations and people that actually ...