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I was on the debate team a little bit of a nerd and you got to argue both sides and you understood that you could make your points in a collegial way and the one thing good coming out of the hearing, i believe. and i think dr. fauci made this point over and over again. we're at a place where we can definitively say we do not know if it was lab or zoonotic from animals. we do a lot of zoonotic work. it's our opportunity to really decide as a global community how we're going to control laboratory experiments in a way that protects the public do you think there is any veracity to some of the repu...

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Very badly, but it was not deadly to many other segments of the global population. if you combined the deadliness that we had 20 years ago with the infectiousness that we've had from covid, which is the kind of combination that these laboratory experiments seek to produce, you could have a future pandemic that actually threatens the entire species, which is why taking this possibility seriously is so important. >> and, just to be clear, you're saying this is the sort of thing they are working on right now in labs like this? >> this is the sort of thing they're working on. and i think we can st...

Understanding of the severity of omicron? is there a time frame? or is it a certain assessment after, say, a certain number of infections that we're able to look at? >> so here's the thing, joe. there are three main questions here around omicron. number one, is it more contagious. number two, does it affect people more severely in terms of hospitalizations or deaths. and number three, is it still going to be sensitive to the existing vaccines. interestingly, we'll know something about the vaccine relationship very shortly, i would say within another week or so, because we're doing laboratory e...

Like ours or whether delta because it's been so successful will push it aside. that's another unknown. >> we should note a low vaccination rate country south africa here. if you follow questions on what you just said there, moderna's ceo one of the makers of the vaccine two to six weeks before we know if omicron reduces the efficacy of its vaccine. we've heard from others, dr. fauci and others maybe in a week or two we'll have an indicator. are there any early signs about the effects on vaccine efficacy or is it just early to state and if so, how long will it take to know? >> there's two ways ...