significance of getting a bomb on a plane and as one of us was saying, pan am flight 103 all those years ago and then you move to 9/11 and you move to somalia and you move to metrojet, you see that this is you know, it s an awful way to put it, but for those who wish us ill this is the big prize because the level of damage, destruction and carnage is so huge as a result. and i say this without any without any, you know, pleasure or whatever because i m tomorrow morning getting on a plane flying from the uk to the u.s., so every one of us has this vested interest. and how do you balance, wolf, how do you balance the need to have effective, efficient security at the same time as to ensure that you don t bring the global aviation market to an absolute halt and that s the ch challenge. miles o brien, you ve studied
again, that s something they lieve mitt gates the risk. stand by for a moment. barbara stand bit. i want to bring in our correspondents and experts to discuss, and phil mudd, this has been a long goal of these terror groups, whether isis, aqap, al qaeda, the airplanian peninsula, al shabaab to figure out a way to get another bomb on to a plane and blow it up, but it looks like they have got a much more sophisticated capability now. that s right. if you look how their opportunities are narrowing over time. years ago when you and i had to through a metal detector and after 9/11 you had to take your shoes off. that was richard reid and after a liquids plot in 2005 in the uk you couldn t bring water bottles on and a month ago as barbara pointed out earlier this month you had intelligence agencies starting to say and the u.s. government starting to say with the brits you can t bring on a laptop. as we looked at that a month ago and we investigated that there s only one reason if you re
successful is very large, much more than attack like in paris which killed 130 people or the attack in orlando so that s why this remains the holy grail of the terrorist groups. it s a volume of potential attacks of victims and then, of course, you know, the threat to the global aviation system is kind of the life livent global economy. and clarissa, you ve done a lot of work in this area. there s, unfortunately, no shortage of individuals who will volunteer to go out on a suicide mission like this. they are true believers. in fact, you have a documentary on this that s going to be airing later tonight, but talk a little bit about these individuals that are ready to not just blow up a plane but blow themselves up in the process. i think, bomb, traditionally we have thought of these suicide bombers or would-be suicide bombers and and recruits to these extremist terrorist groups as being foreign, as being from other countries, and speaking different languages and having differe
thank you, let s get some more now on the airborne search. on the west coast of australia, it s just getting daylight. have any planes actually taken off yet? we don t have confirmation that any planes have taken off. if day one or day two is any indication, this is the exact time that the very first plane takes off. so what is going to be taking to the air today? there s going to be three australian planes, the p-3 orions taking to the air, there s going to be one new see land plane as well as those two civilian planes barbara was talking about. they re going to fly from this air base, four hours away, they re going to circle for two hours above that area, the military here telling us they want to clear 36,000 square kilometers, that is more than yesterday. they re trying to flood the zone, they want to try to clear
that was a bomb in the hold of a 747 that blew up over lockerbie, scotland and it was on a timing device so you don t have to be beside a bomb to detonate it so i wonder if this is such a great concern the proper security response probably should be don t put them on the plane whatsoever. i can t imagine that happening in this day and age. that s not going to happen, completely eliminate ipads or laptops. right. but there s no doubt, peter bergen, and you ve studied this for a long time, they are deeply concerned right now, all the counter-terror experts, that al shabaab and isis and aqap are developing this new technology. the chief bomb-maker of al qaeda in yemen has been building these kinds of devices for many years, and the concern amongst counterterrorism officials is his knowledge has been propagated to a lot of other people so it s not simple police isis as clarissa was talking about, al qaeda in yemen and in other places, and and,