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Larry says, no apology necessary. larry, his team shot 18%, 2-11 from whatever metric, either the line or -- doesn't matter. that's low. how do you motivate some kids if you can't get a little bit -- get the hair on the back of your neck up a little bit. >> we reached this place we're afraid to talk to everybody about their performance, we have to make sure people feel good about them regardless of their performance. these kids were not playing well and he did what was necessary to motivate them. criticism didn't always come wrapped up in pretty words. nothing to apologize for. >> karen, conte...

Somebody down to rise them up. i believe it's a myth to think that young men need to feel hardened, need to feel unworthy, need to feel shamed, need to feel disgraced in order for them to learn and grow and hear and develop. >> i'm not laughing another you. i'm just trying to figure out -- that's not what sport is. it's not a learning, growing, touchy-y -- >> that's exactly. >> winning this the going. >> karen, you're wrong, you're wrong. >> if you're going to win you need to learn what you have done wrong to win north be yelled at in an irrational, unproductive manner. larry go ahead. >> i wi...

Here. and by the way, sports is kind of a metaphor for life and business. it's about winning and losing, not about showing up and feeling good about yourself when you have done a poor job. >> if agree with that. doctor, isn't sports different from academia. >> i'm not suggesting it's about feeling good if you have not met your best potential. what i'm suggesting is -- >> let me do this, d. >> the tail between your because of oh your -- >> do you have a better suggestion for motivating a team that went 2-11? >> yes. thank you for asking the best way to motivate is to specifically address what t...