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Allegations of harassment or assault or anything, the kind of sexual misconduct we've heard about in the last two months. certainly, many of the sources i've talked to this morning are expecting the same kind of shock you're describing, larry. even people that know lauer well who are saying, we didn't know there was this other side. we haven't seen these specific allegations yet. we don't know what was alleged monday night by this employee, but know it was severe enough by nbc to take swift action. >> and nbc news has been under a lot of heat about mishandling the ronan pharaoh investigation. ...

>> let's bring in a couple other friends to hash this out. maria guthrie, larry hackard, and hadas gold. so as i was thinking about this all today and this morning, this situation is different from others that have come out in recent. in one significant way, there was no independent reporting that came out before nbc moved on this, before he was -- it was handled swiftly and internally, even though as brian says, there were reports coming. what does that mean? >> most of the other people we've seen have been fired, term natd after nated after an expose exposed their behavior. but this has been...

Things and all of these companies are looking at all of their people and trying to get ahead of this stuff. it's very delicate, because, you know it's coming. do you wait for it? do you get ahead of it? in this case, nbc decided to get ahead of it. and that is -- and we'll see what comes out after the fact. >> because, larry, there's no -- i don't think anyone should think that this is going to squash any story that's going to come out. >> no, not at all. and i don't know if there's a whole great deal of significance to the fact that it came out ahead of time. inside nbc, they knew it was comi...