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Have passed medicaid expansion to take an awfully difficult vote. essentially what it does is it cuts medicare and cuts medicaid expansion and effect in 2020, and it caps medicaid going forward. that inflicts a lot of state issues and i think moderate senators are going to find it very, very difficult to swallow. >> jon: medicaid, the idea as i understand it that the republicans are proposing, larry, is that you take medicaid and you give that money and block grants to the states eventually, not right away, but the idea being that states know best how to protect their own citizens. >> yes, wha...

This bill falls short. it drives costs up by decreasing deductibles -- increasing deductibles and eliminating some of the tax credits, and that individual mandate while it is about as possible as vegetables are to my kids, it's one of the things that keeps premiums low. this is going to see coverage loss from medicaid, and it is going to drive millions of americans away from the market for just affordability concerns. >> jon: larry come he said it could destabilize the insurance market. why? >> as andy said, it repeals the individual it and it mandate which has been what got people enrolled an...

Discussion, larry levitz, senior vice president for special initiatives at the kaiser family foundation and senior advisor to the president of the foundation, amy, former acting admitted trader for the centers for medicare and medicaid services under president obama and the president of the foundation for research on equal opportunity, author of "transcending obamacare: how medicaid feels the poor." thank you for being here. wanted to start with you, andy, some republicans have essentially said and democrats too have labeled this proposal as obamacare lite. do you see it that way? >> if it is ...

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